Tribal Talks – Two Tribes (15)

On 8 January 2013 by Carolien Geurtsen

@ Oerol vrijwiliigers after party 2012 - © Carolien Geurtsen

 

A tribe is viewed, historically or developmentally, as a social group existing before the development of, or outside of, states. Many anthropologists used the term tribal society to refer to societies organized largely on the basis of kinship, especially corporate descent groups (see clan and kinship).
Some theorists hold that tribes represent a stage in social evolution intermediate between bands and states. Other theorists argue that tribes developed after, and must be understood in terms of their relationship to, states.
‘Tribe’ is a contested term due to its roots in colonial anthropological foundations and the connotations that these hierarchical definitions have.
It is common practice to use alternative terms like ‘ethnic group’, or nation.
From Wiki

continuation in English as well as my tribe is an international one..

I am not good in remembering names –  not good at all. And the songs I choose, I like to think I am doing that at random… I knew of course since yesterday that I was going to write about this subject and vaguely heard a sound in my head since early morning 04.15. Just now I started to search for Johnny goes to Hollywood – cause that first came up, then arrived at Franky and thought, a yeah, that’s nice – Relax, thats the song I mean… Which of course it wasn’t.
Than, going from Google search to YouTube search, there it was right next in line: Two Tribes.
Earlier, when I was still sure that I would not be able to track what the hum in my mind was about, my conscious mind choose War from Bruce Springsteen to replace IT, which now, watching the video, was a creative way most probably of leading me to the find of this one. O no, I found it via Johnny…

So thats how the songs pick me in this 365 days project. As I am not equipped to do the picking, I trust co-incidence and my subconscious and love it. Cause yes, of course, this is the song I heard in my head when I woke up this morning #nokidding
Now I only have to check whether or not it was in the Top 2000 cause maybe not.
 and there it is…. on 1940 –  nice detail, start of WW II

 

Social Group – Music & DJs

1) Wonderful little example of the above definition of Tribal, as in Social Group: 7 young men gathering here last night, 7 DJ’s meeting up to fool around with keyboards, music and mixes and with each other, and having a good time. Then, moving as one living organism on their way out to get Döner Kebab for supper – bringing me a yummie one one as well – and moving likewise organic on their way in, climbing the stairs, laughing and chatting. To continue again with their musical whims.

Cross-Cultural: Turkey – Holland

2) Then about tribal in the more cross-cultural sense of what my personal research is about, my quest for belonging, and so connected with the question:  Whát on earth is pulling me back to Turkey, do I really want to live there again, or is it not more than nostalgic idealizing…
What my friend M said…

When I am feeling depressed I  rather be in Turkey than in Holland as I do not get the chance to feel lonely there. As soon as I am out on the street, there are the talks, the chats, the mini meet ups and how are yous from the shop owners who know me just because I pass there every day. And that is not happening in Holland. Life is not only more outdoors in Turkey, it is also a lot more about contact”.

This really resonated in me. Adapting to living in Holland again after ten years Turkey, was very much about feeling lonely in crowds, in shops, totally gob-smacked about the unfriendliness and indifference in general, the common aggression in public transport, and more specific that people just would not say Hello, good morning, even if your noses were nearly touching on the street. And that you both were living in that same street did not make any difference at all. And I am not talking city life, this was in a town near to Utrecht.
Of course there are places where this supposedly is totally different and when I came to live in Houten last year I was amazed with the friendliness of the people and more so with this huge difference.
I was saying to my friends, in this first week more people said hello to me on the street than in 7 years Breukelen…
As well it was lovely strawling in Amsterdam two months ago with a friend and having real nice chatty talk with a shop owner. We went in to ask if I could use the toilet and to my surprise that was immediately OK.
But then again this was a little shop, which was already there for over 50 years… would that be of any importance?

…to be continued

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One Response to “Tribal Talks – Two Tribes (15)”

  • An enjoyable and interesting blog post 🙂

    “When I am feeling depressed I rather be in Turkey than in Holland as I do not get the chance to feel lonely there. As soon as I am out on the street, there are the talks, the chats, the mini meet ups and how are yous from the shop owners who know me just because I pass there every day. And that is not happening in Holland. Life is not only more outdoors in Turkey, it is also a lot more about contact”.

    …Yeah, I know what you mean. I was crossing over a bridge off Prinsengracht Stra to go to buy some cheese in Noordermarkt (visiting a friend in Amsterdam), an old man coming towards me fell over and bashed his head (not badly). I rushed over to him and tried to comfort him and keep him still to see if he was okay and then help him up. He didn’t speak any English, and I didn’t speak any Dutch – but he understood what I was trying to do. I say that, but initially I think he thought I was going to rob him because he cowered away! What astonished and annoyed me though was the people who walked past laughing???

    My Turkish wife and I went to visit her parents (Istanbul) with our brand spanking new son about twelve years ago. We went shopping to one of those ultra modern air conditioned shopping centres; I was pushing him around in his pushchair. I attracted a lot of attention (well, not me really, my son, he was wearing a ‘baby grow,’ his chubby little naked legs were kicking and seemed to be totally irresistible to the passing crowd (men & women), who pinched his chubby cheeks and legs and toes; one ‘attractive’ shop assistant even buried her head in his legs and blew raspberries!). If that had happened in the UK we’d have been very upset, but in Turkey it seemed acceptable.

    The Turkish people are a lovely people, which is why it’s SO upsetting to see them being oppressed.

Leuk om te horen wat jij er van vind. Alvast bedankt!

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